tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post3388476688462473612..comments2023-10-08T15:51:17.426+00:00Comments on Beyond Necessity: Does the earth actually rotate?Edward Ockhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-40505984879844945852011-08-24T07:05:42.617+00:002011-08-24T07:05:42.617+00:00>>I can't recall anything that seemed ev...>>I can't recall anything that seemed even superficially valid. I still don't know what you're thinking of.<br /><br />I actually gave the argument in my first comment above. I said their argument was that “any theory which depends on a series of apparently ad hoc assumptions to justify the initial assumption of the theory is weak”. That is a valid argument.Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-69129759972596739392011-08-23T21:07:31.880+00:002011-08-23T21:07:31.880+00:00> They gave an argument that seems superficiall...> They gave an argument that seems superficially valid. Clearly it isn't, so what is wrong with it? <br /><br />I can't recall anything that seemed even superficially valid. I still don't know what you're thinking of. Text is so much easier than speech, though.<br /><br />> un-PC<br /><br />Deliberately.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-83488692765782513952011-08-22T20:42:03.962+00:002011-08-22T20:42:03.962+00:00>>the mumblings of a couple of ignorant hick...>>the mumblings of a couple of ignorant hicks <br /><br />That is a terribly un-PC remark.Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-10937672185324319162011-08-22T20:39:13.427+00:002011-08-22T20:39:13.427+00:00See what I just said above. They gave an argument ...See what I just said above. They gave an argument that seems superficially valid. Clearly it isn't, so what is wrong with it? <br /><br />Generally logicians find all muddled reasoning interesting. Some of it is also entertaining, as this is (perhaps we disagree on what we find entertaining).Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-31590084089453986162011-08-22T19:59:06.095+00:002011-08-22T19:59:06.095+00:00I listened for about 6 minutes and heard nothing a...I listened for about 6 minutes and heard nothing at all worthwhile, and much that was muddled and naive.<br /><br />How about you suggest the first thing they said that you considered valuable?William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-78680537716711014972011-08-22T11:33:13.336+00:002011-08-22T11:33:13.336+00:00>>Why are you pushing the mumblings of a cou...>>Why are you pushing the mumblings of a couple of ignorant hicks who clearly have no idea what they are talking about?<br /><<<br /><br />What do you say I am ‘pushing’ their views? I find their argument interesting, and this blog is primarily about argumentation. Their argument (excluding the arguments from biblical authority of the first section) appeals a key principle of scientific reasoning: that any theory which depends on a series of apparently ad hoc assumptions to justify the initial assumption of the theory is weak. That is a good argument. <br /><br />So, what is wrong, if anything, with their application of the argument? To argue, as you do that ‘they clearly have no idea what they are talking about” is to beg the question (a logical fallacy).Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-83190953316015047952011-08-22T09:19:58.464+00:002011-08-22T09:19:58.464+00:00OK, I listened to your first link - http://www.fix...OK, I listened to your first link - http://www.fixedearth.com/audio/Copernicanism_is_false_science_session_1.mp3 - or at least, as much as I could tolerate. Why are you pushing the mumblings of a couple of ignorant hicks who clearly have no idea what they are talking about?William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-10833298653908172702011-08-21T20:14:58.792+00:002011-08-21T20:14:58.792+00:00If you believe GR, the question is meaningless.
h...If you believe GR, the question is meaningless.<br /><br />http://blog.creativethink.com/2009/07/good-old-wittgenstein.htmlWilliam M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.com