tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post7529785394555949779..comments2023-10-08T15:51:17.426+00:00Comments on Beyond Necessity: Reference and intentionEdward Ockhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-30661317629494620492012-01-08T16:16:30.466+00:002012-01-08T16:16:30.466+00:00No. read the lecture II in N & N. First he tos...No. read the lecture II in N & N. First he tosses out the cluster theory, across the board (e.g there's no necessity to the reference-fixing). Then he slyly sneaks in Ostension (per guru Wittgenstein). In effect SK's sort of a constructivist--so, one can use names like....chess pieces. But that doesn't really describe how they are named (say with historical personages, which do have a class of events attached to their name, and one might say that is significant--Napoleon's not the charwoman.)Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-84150472693763989082012-01-08T11:43:07.082+00:002012-01-08T11:43:07.082+00:00Tristan, thanks for the link to that article. Too ...Tristan, thanks for the link to that article. Too important for a comment box, I will discuss it in a post this week.Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-34700416798977408432012-01-08T11:02:07.961+00:002012-01-08T11:02:07.961+00:00>>By the way, it is not a matter of biology ...>>By the way, it is not a matter of biology that Jenny cannot be eight years old. The story doesn't say that Lucy is the daughter of Jenny, only of Alex. :)<br /><<<br /><br />You mean it could be that the soldier was married to an 8 year old Jenny, and had a daughter, Lucy, by another woman? <br /><br />Does that affect my point about what the third speaker 'probably meant'?Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-83163811743455071072012-01-08T10:34:53.239+00:002012-01-08T10:34:53.239+00:00>>Once again an attempt to develop a theory ...>>Once again an attempt to develop a theory of reference based on fictional stories.<br /><br />That's the whole point, of course.Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-52953690228308531472012-01-08T02:02:05.024+00:002012-01-08T02:02:05.024+00:00Pardon the lack of punctuation... that's the f...Pardon the lack of punctuation... that's the first time I've commented on a philosophy post using a touch screen keyboard.Tristan Hazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18008340011384137776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-9123551142313996482012-01-08T01:49:46.503+00:002012-01-08T01:49:46.503+00:00Once again an attempt to develop a theory of refer...Once again an attempt to develop a theory of reference based on fictional stories.<br /><br />---<br /><br />By the way, it is not a matter of biology that Jenny cannot be eight years old. The story doesn't say that Lucy is the daughter of Jenny, only of Alex. :)<br /><br />But, once again, I'll pretend you said something different from what you actually said.<br /><br />Always so much sloppiness...Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15847046461397802596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-8317973654802756172012-01-08T01:48:56.793+00:002012-01-08T01:48:56.793+00:00Kripke handles this sort of issue with a distincti...Kripke handles this sort of issue with a distinction between speakers reference and semantic reference. Cf. his paper by that name, available at http://philo-crimmins.stanford.edu/PhilLang/readings/Kripke-Speakers-Reference-and-Semantic-Reference.pdf <br /><br />I'd be interested to hear whether you think this answers your objection.Tristan Hazehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18008340011384137776noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-12573095719659748272012-01-07T18:18:38.532+00:002012-01-07T18:18:38.532+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-7397863402389378832012-01-07T18:16:33.714+00:002012-01-07T18:16:33.714+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.com