tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post8800726197850910019..comments2023-10-08T15:51:17.426+00:00Comments on Beyond Necessity: Natural and artificial languagesEdward Ockhamhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-27159918485674896642012-03-01T17:15:59.845+00:002012-03-01T17:15:59.845+00:00But you agree with 1?
What is wrong with 3? Do y...But you agree with 1?<br /><br />What is wrong with 3? Do you have any argument for the falsity of 3, or is this a base premise? If 3 is not a premise, what premises lead to the falsity of 3?Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15847046461397802596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-11118049864798273982012-02-27T23:04:02.992+00:002012-02-27T23:04:02.992+00:00> But you don't seem to have grasped what t...> But you don't seem to have grasped what the problem is, yet.<br /><br />Don't sound so disappointed. Perhaps you haven't explained it clearly.<br /><br />But no. In fact I turn off at the endless verbiage, which goes nowhere. Its in Hobbes, if you know it: the bit about it being pointless to make long laws: English words are always ambiguous; people try to patch this up by adding more words to nail down their meaning, but it never works: all you do is add more ambiguity.William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-48402991304656296812012-02-27T16:18:45.597+00:002012-02-27T16:18:45.597+00:00>>I assume you disagree with 3.
Spot on.>>I assume you disagree with 3.<br /><br />Spot on.Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-50778543144257613712012-02-27T14:56:04.228+00:002012-02-27T14:56:04.228+00:00I thought of another way to phrase my point about ...I thought of another way to phrase my point about sentences vs. propositions (and dereferencing):<br /><br />1 the morning star = the evening star<br />2 "the morning star" does not equal "the evening star"<br />3 that the morning star is the evening star = that the morning star is the morning star<br />4 "the morning star is the evening star" does not equal "the morning star is the morning star"<br /><br />That is my position. It is, I believe a position which follows from direct reference theories. 3 is about propositions. 4 is about sentences. I assume you disagree with 3.Anthonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15847046461397802596noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-87636500987493092302012-02-27T11:33:36.705+00:002012-02-27T11:33:36.705+00:00>>So why are you still doggedly sticking to ...>>So why are you still doggedly sticking to English and Latin?<br /><br />Long story. There is pretty much a consensus that the analytic program failed for at least standard predicate logic. I.e. there are certain types of sentences in English and other languages (including Latin) that seem to have a clear and definite meaning, but the meaning fails to translate into any known form of standard logic. So there are now two main camps<br /><br />1. Those who follow Wittgenstein and other philosophers in holding that ordinary language defies any kind of formal treatment. Sometimes I think the Maverick philosopher falls into this camp. <br /><br />2. Those who think the program can still succeed, but with a different kind of formal treatment. I'll put myself in this camp. A lot of my posts here, if you hadn't noticed, are around the problem of developing a logic that will handle singular belief ascriptions and evidence reports. But you don't seem to have grasped what the problem is, yet.Edward Ockhamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07583379503310147119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21308815.post-24866070416683210092012-02-27T08:57:26.919+00:002012-02-27T08:57:26.919+00:00So why are you still doggedly sticking to English ...So why are you still doggedly sticking to English and Latin?William M. Connolleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05836299130680534926noreply@blogger.com